May 15, 2016 from Zona Politics with Jim Nintzel on Vimeo.
On this week's episode of Zona Politics with Jim Nintzel: Ahead of next week's vote on Proposition 123, we have Jason Freed, president of the Tucson Education Association, and Morgan Abraham, the chair of the opposition campaign to Prop 123, debating the pros and cons of the education-funding referendum. Then state Rep. Bruce Wheeler comes by to share his thoughts on the recently completed legislation session.
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Here's a rush transcript of the show:
Hello, everyone. I'm Tucson Weekly senior writer Jim Nintzel, your host for Zona Politics. Today, we're hosting a debate on prop 123, the education funding proposition that voters will decide this Tuesday, May 17. The proposition would increase withdrawals from the state land trust from 2.5 percent annually, to 6.9 percent annually for the next ten years to provide more funding for classrooms. All in all, proposition 123 would provide $3.5 billion in funding for schools over the next decade, or about $350 million a year. Joining me to debate their pros and cons of prop 123: Jason Freed, president of the Tucson Education Association, who supports the measure, and Morgan Abraham, chairman of the main opposition campaign to Prop 123. Thank you both for being here. Jason, let's start with you. Why do you think voters should support Prop. 123?
(Freed) We've got to start with the understanding, I think that we all agree in Arizona that we've done a poor job in funding public education in the state. We've done a poor job for a number of years, and so, we look and we realize, "We've got to fix this. We've got to fix this now." The "No" campaign is going to suggest this and that. They're going to talk about triggers. They're going to talk about taxes. You're going to talk about trusts. They'll tell you about the 49% trigger, which is actually, unfortunately, inconsequential, and we've not been close, anywhere close to that 49% any time in the recent past.
(Nintzel) When we're talking about 49 percent, we're talking about the idea that if 49 percent of the general fund goes to education, lawmakers do not need to increase education funding to adjust for inflation. We'll get to the details of that.
(Freed) Correct. Right. Right. And at this point we're at 42 percent. We have been for some time. And so when we look at it, we look at the reality, look at the reality of the situation and we say, "Education absolutely, desperately needs money." We know that. We know that we have a way to do this, to do this without raising taxes. We do this without somehow damaging the future, and the notion of anything to the contrary is actually, at this point, almost laughable. We have $5 billion in the trust fund that exists. That $5 billion when 123 passes will grow over the next ten years to $6 billion. And the "No" campaign is going to make suggestions on how that's—some interesting formula on how it's worth this and worth that. The reality is Arizonans understand that going from $5 billion to $6 billion, the account is still growing, and we're doing so in a sensible way, while making sure that we take care of public education for our kids.
(Nintzel) And Morgan, why are you opposed to the proposition?
(Abraham) First of all, we are on the same page, as far as money going to education. There's no question education and teachers need to be paid more. We see Proposition 123 as not any kind of win for education at all. Long term and short term. So we call it Three-Ts: triggers, trust, tax cuts. So triggers being that there are triggers built into this proposition that pull money for education, specifically one is the end-all, be all 49 percent trigger that prevents us from spending 49 percent of our general fund on education ever again.